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Cameron: Now, here we go. Welcome back to QAV Australia, episode 8 1 9. We’re recording this on the 13th of May, 2025. We have a new opposition leader in the country and Trump has done another back flip and Tony is somewhere deep in the heart of Africa with sparrows, I think. You for an internet connection. He’s writing little notes on the legs of parrots and sending them to Brisbane, and then I’m sending them back.
I think that’s how it’s working. Tk.
TK: It is too true. I’m, I’m in Bateman’s Bay, Sudan, I think, or Congo. The wifi isn’t working very well, and my phone reception isn’t working very well. So to, anyone who hears a lag in this recording, but it’s my problem. and I wore my QI brought my, packed away, my QAV T‑shirt to, to wear on [00:01:00] the show, and, we’ve turned the video off to help the speed.
Cameron: it just gets you in the mood. It’s like putting a suit and tie on when you go to the, when you do a Zoom call, it just gets you in the mood. let’s get into it ’cause I know you’ve got a bit of a short time horizon today, so let’s, Yep.
Get into, I wanted to start with portfolio updates, Tony. the market’s obviously up today.
As I mentioned flippantly before. Trump’s team and the China team have been meeting this week, and they’ve, agreed to roll back the tariffs. I think in the case of the United States as tariffs on China, it’s gone from 145% down to 30. I think China’s dropped theirs from a hundred and. 25 down to 10. all the tough talk from Trump has gone, I dunno why there’s even still a 30% tariff.
I think it’s just optics, possibly more than anything else. But the market in [00:02:00] the US overnight, shot up and the market here today is, up not quite as much as I think it was in the us. It peaked this morning and has come back a little bit since then, but I think we’ve. Almost recovered from where we were pre liberation day, let’s say 40th of February.
The market was at 88, 25. We’re now at 85, 18, so not quite back up to where we were a few months ago, but getting close.
TK: The tariffs have only been paused for. to help the Chinese because they’re doing it tough and closing factories and, but Donald wanted to help the Chinese to get back on their feet, so there’s 90 day pause in tariffs. we’ll see what happens in 90 days.
Cameron: It is hard, it’s hard to read your, sarcasm and, irony without the video.
TK: Yeah, sorry. I’m being sarcastic. [00:03:00] but one thing that happened today was gold turned down. So our gold stocks will have gone down. think,
the ones I looked at before were between five and 10%, which I’m assuming is the gold price going down. ’cause I couldn’t find any news on our portfolio stocks. and Bitcoin’s going up.
Cameron: That’s interesting. I, when I did my buy list yesterday, Tony, I I already had gold as Josephine and they were josephines last week. Are you saying they’re now in a sell state or they’re just still Josephines?
TK: still josephines, but our golds Ha, Google some of the gold stocks in the portfolio. Perseus, I think stand about
8%. Ramelius was down 10. not sure about some of the others West African resources, but I think it’s because, of the announcements on tariffs. Yeah.
Cameron: when I did my, weekly newsletter earlier today, before the market opened, the dummy portfolio was up 1.6% in the [00:04:00] last week. Versus the benchmark, which was up about 1.2%. We were at 15.85% per annum for the financial year versus 10.2% for the benchmark and the US portfolio when I checked this morning, was down 2.6% this week and is now up 25% for the financial year versus the s and p 500, which was up 6.7% for the financial year.
So that’s, we’re doing what, like four times almost the, s and p 500 for the financial year, which is which is nice, but our portfolio has come back a lot, in the last few months in the US It’s still doing very, well, but has come back quite substantially with all of the tariff nonsense that’s been going on.
What have you got in your list of things to talk about today? Tk.
TK: I had [00:05:00] a few things. Companies and certainly confession seasons. So we’re getting quarterly updates, on sales from the retailers, for example, and with ANZ of course, the CEO handover occurred on Friday. So Nuno Matos is the new CEO of ANZ. the results that were delivered by the outgoing CEO quite were quite flat. They up, over time because of the Suncorp acquisition. ANZ was given the green light to acquire sun, the Suncorp bank, out of the Suncorp insurance business. And, that’s boosted their, revenue and profit. But, As that cycles around, it’s been flat otherwise, for them. and there’s been lots of reporting about, the new CEO taking over and seems to be doing all the right things from day one.
Promising to get the ANZ app sorted out. [00:06:00] The banking on your phone app sorted out. meeting with big customers. Staff, he wants them to be, on the ball, but, not, playing fast and loose as far as governance goes. And, he’ll be good. He’s written to all the regulators saying that he’ll improve governance in the bank, et cetera, et cetera. So that’s all good. from my point of view, I just wanted declare I own ANZ. and I just also want to declare that it’s gone ex- dividend today. So don’t be surprised if when you hear this, the share price looks like it’s trended down a lot. it’s gone ex- dividend and take that into account in your planning. , And look, to be fair, it’s on the buy list, again, following its through results, which, it does from time to time. So that’s, I guess a good thing from our point of view. It’s back in buy territory, but there has been trading sideways for a while and it’s not quite a buy yet. you’ve got a bit of time to, to review this one, couple of, what, can I report on?
summarizing some of the [00:07:00] announcements that have been made. they reported a first. Cash earnings increase of 12%, half on half, was in line with expectations. But flat year on year, revenue was up at $11 billion, which is what, staggering really, , for an Australian company, I. That’s up 5%, half on half. and which includes a contribution from Suncorp, Bank. and also too, they highlighted that the acquisition of Suncorp is starting to deliver cost synergy. So they think they’ve, they say they’ve saved $20 million to date from, amalgamating Suncorp into ANZ. So we’ll see how that, That goes, that interest margin in the group, which is something we should follow.
With banks, it fell two basis points, half, one half to 1.56%, but still in 1.5 I think is pretty good for a bank. So it’s, it’s not to be of [00:08:00] concern. , What else can I say? common. tier one or CET one ratio declined a little bit, but it’s still at 12%, which is, which is, still very strong for a bank.
And that’s obviously what, , APRA, focuses on. And in fact, ANZ carries more capital because that, got into trouble with the regulator last year or two years ago, actually, over a bond trading scandal, and they now have to carry an extra billion dollars of, tier one capital compared to some of the other banks in Australia. they, have a lot of capital, to bolster them if it’s ever a run on the bank. So that’s all good. does probably hold them back a little bit in their return side of things, but, I’m hoping, I suspect with the new CEO coming in and, he’ll get some time to men relations ships with the regulators and get in their good books and then, [00:09:00] that, capital impulse might be taken off. yeah, that’s probably all I can say. The only other, article I saw about ANZ was talking about that some of the senior executors may leave, because there was two internal candidates that were overlooked for the role. So they, may stay, but they may look to become a CEO somewhere else, either in the banking sector or even outside it sometimes. also too, Nuno Mattos may bring in some of his lieutenants from overseas to, to bolster his direct reports with, with people he trusts, from past experience. So there might be some turnover in the senior ranks of ANZ going forward. So that’s ANZ, not a bad result. Nothing, groundbreaking though.
I’m back on the buy list. the other one I wanted to focus on was super retail group. So another stock I own. I’ll declare that. they bounced back from their lows, since they put out this [00:10:00] quarterly updating quarter three. And I also did it at, a conference last week that Macquarie runs, which is generally regarded as the start of confession season.
We’ve seen a few updates, to guidance. now we’re a month out from the end of the financial year and a couple of months out from reporting season management will, um, if they’re starting to deviate from what analysts think, come out and update the market. But the, detail from super retail group was good, or, at least, not too bad. They’re their, for sales are up 3.1%. So that’s, that’s always an important metric for a retailer. And, super retail group owns four big, brands. Rebel Sports, super, auto Mac Pack, and BCF, the Camping store. Um, Directors coming in from the [00:11:00] UK deal with Accenture, which we spoke about previously. And Bunnings is also testing the waters on getting into the automotive space, which would impact on Super Auto Group. But for the moment, both of those are doing okay. management said that sales, that their sales in this company increased quite well during Covid because, there people were able to. Um, order online and get it sent home, and they’ve been able to recapture or, keep all of that sales, increase that market share increase after covid by, then investing in their store network. a couple of, strategies seem to be working for them on the, auto side there. divesting or getting out of, smaller footprint stores and concentrating on those with, at least a thousand square meters of floor space. And, in the Rebel sports, side of thing, they’re regenerating their stores and bringing them up to be, [00:12:00] Up, up to date in terms of what’s best practice around the world. uh, I think from memory, if I look at the figures, rebels Sports has 165 stores. Uh, sales were up 4.4%. super Auto, uh, was, I think reasonably flat. BCF, the camping, side of things was up 8.3%, so that was good. And then these figures I’m giving at it for the first 44 weeks of the year. So it’s still eight weeks to run, but, they’re pretty close to what they’ll be at year end. overall group, like for like sales were up over 3%, which is good. and they’ve also, they also highlighted that they’ve invested in a, automated warehouse, and. their competitors as their competitors into the market. So so it’s two companies that, I’ve just called out there, [00:13:00] and announcements during confession season, but people might wanna, keep their eye on the press and on their stock doctor alerts or equivalence for any other announcements coming out in confession season over the next couple of weeks.
Cameron: Terrific. speaking of banks and compliance failures, I wanted to ask you about our old friends at Macquarie Bank. I saw an article in the Financial Review, no, sorry. In the A, b, C last week, ASIC takes action against Macquarie Bank for significant compliance failures. Macquarie Bank has been hit with additional license conditions after being slammed by the corporate regulator for multiple and significant, compliance failures.
Says the failures related to Macquarie’s futures dealing and derivatives trading divisions. Noting some went undetected for many years in one case for a decade. So I was thinking about this. I think they got fined, [00:14:00] just under $5 million for it. Just a gentle slap on the wrist. But I was thinking about this in terms of our.
Recent introduction of governance, red flags. How do you feel about banking compliance, failures and governance, red flags? Is this something that we should be paying attention to, or is it not really gonna have any sort of material impact on them as an investment?
TK: I think it’s how and how. all, of these APRA fines and undertakings, enforceable undertakings are not good for banks, but they’re also, I think, of the landscape for banks as well. So first thing to note is that Macquarie Bank is only a subsection of Macquarie Group. Macquarie Group is much larger than Macquarie Bank, Obviously, as you said, a $5 million [00:15:00] fine in a, company that earns billions is not gonna make a big difference. So I’m not too worried about it. in this particular case, it wouldn’t be a, I wouldn’t put the red flag on Macquarie Group because of this. they’ll tighten up their procedures. They’ll work with the regulator to have that verified by. Someone independent and then, they’ll move on. it’ll be a bit of a slow down on their banking side for a little bit. But otherwise, I don’t see it being a problem and, not a re a reason not, it won’t be a reason not to invest. So you can go ahead and invest in Macquarie Bank. I think this, ANZ I just said has an enforceable undertaking with a, because of a bond trading issue. little while ago, a MP had a big with the regulator. Bank of Queensland has undertaking with the regulators I think it’s fair to say that on the banking side, a PR, which is the Australian prudential regulator, much better and much quicker to act on banks and, [00:16:00] keep them on the straight and narrow than ASIC is with. Other companies or with all the other companies asset, has a lot bigger and a lot, has to monitor all 2000 companies. APRA’s, looking at maybe a dozen, at least in the listed space and is on the ball with these things and tends nip them in the boat early. they, they’ve caught someone doing something wrong at Macquarie Bank.
I didn’t quite understand what the issue was. It looked like someone had done some trades. On some, derivatives that weren’t traded on the A SX and then reported them incorrectly to ara. it, it, may be nothing worse than the reporting issue. Not that I’m trying to play it down. APRA thinks it’s important, so that’s fine. But this kind of thing does happen with some frequency in the banking space.
Cameron: Okay, thanks. I just wanted to mention HLS’ huge dividend. a few people were talking about this on our, Facebook page over [00:17:00] the last week. I’m sure you saw this, but, HLS, Helius,. Not to be confused with. Helia, HLI, they, dropped a massive, dividend, which isn’t, still, isn’t being reported in Stock Doctor, which is bizarre.
Stock Doctor doesn’t show any dividend since, June of 22. I can’t figure out why they’re not showing this one, but, I, if you go to the latest price sensitive announcements in stock, doctor, you’ll see it fully franked special dividend of $300 million or 41.30 cents per ordinary share. Fully franked.
That’s, crazy. You ever seen, anything that big before Tony?
TK: I have. Yeah. So this has be, this has resulted from this company, which is a, a, health company which runs pathologies and imaging. [00:18:00] companies used to be called Primary Healthcare. they sold off one of their business units and, they just returned of that, or most of that capital back to the shareholders of special dividend. all the companies have done it before. but this is the way of also of, unlocking any franking credits they have, which wouldn’t, wouldn’t get used. So, this company’s paid tax in the past and not paid a dividend for a couple of years. So unused Franking Cal credits sitting in their balance sheet, and this is the way of giving them back to their shareholders as well.
So they’ve done one big dividend and that’s, it’s. It’s actually, quite large, on a sense per share basis, though I think it’s, 41 cents per share, but it’s also about 17 cents of franking credits. I’ll just confirm that. 17.70 cents of franking credits and 41.3 of so it’s basically [00:19:00] 50 cents. If, if you can make use of the full use of the franking credits, and that’s pretty, and the share price looks like it’s dropped from about a dollar 50 before it went. Its dividend now trading at a dollar or 11. So it’s dropped less than the 50 cents. So I think the trick will be once it goes, once it’s paid, whether the share price starts to recover, from, that.
So at the moment. It’s it’s trading. If you look at the graph, it’s trading below but if you add back the dividend and the franking credits. It’s back above its sell line. that add back usually just lasts until we get payment in our pockets of that, of the dividend. it’ll be interesting to see whether, people, if the, share price recovers around the same time as the dividend pays, my, my gut feel is it probably won’t ’cause it’s a large amount.
But, and because the, underlying business doesn’t have that, business unit in it, it means it’s worth less going [00:20:00] forward. but I think it’s the case of just watch the space and, see what happens when the dividend arrives and what’s happening with the share price and, whether you wanna, in it.
Cameron: Yeah, so I hold it in my super portfolio. We hold it in a couple of QAV portfolios. I. And it’s down about 21% since I added it only back in April. as you say, the three point trend line sell price is a dollar 32, but when you add the dividend back in and the franking credits, it comes down to 73 cents.
And so the payment date is only 10 days away, the 23rd of May, Keep an eye on it folks, for around about that date, and let’s see what happens, whether or not we do need to offload it or not, if it comes back up below those line, above those lines or not,
TK: I just add to that comment cam, that we should be a little bit patient because I. [00:21:00] not like there’s a switch that gets flicked when the dividend gets paid and received. People are now deciding what the company’s worth after the of the, of the business unit they’ve sold. price is up a couple of percent today. It might start increasing again. I think if it’s on an upward trend, not that far below the sell prices it’s currently drawn. So if it’s on an upward trend towards that, if it was me stock, but if it was, I’d be a if can. After.
Cameron: Yeah, we’ll give it a bit of grace. All right. speaking of Grace, CTT is a stock that’s on our buy list this week. I don’t think we’ve talked about them before. I wasn’t aware of them before. It’s a company called Cettire. I’m not exactly sure how they pronounce that, but they’re a drop shipping company. Floated on the A SX.
[00:22:00] you remember that my son Taylor got his business started drop shipping back in the Covid days when he and a mate of his were drop shipping jigsaw puzzles. I think you were their first customer or one of their first customers anyway. This company is, very interesting and I was looking into it ’cause I was looking at adding it as an option for the light portfolios, but the financial review reported in September, 2024.
But the end of Mr Mintz’s acquisition spree, Mr Mintz’s the, founder, CEO, I think Mr Mintz’s acquisition spree pushed Cettire shares 12% lower on Wednesday, capping a week long rollercoaster ride for investors that began with a 20% fall when the company released unaudited accounts on August 29th. The shares rebounded 50% over Monday and Tuesday.
And [00:23:00] then, it says the later on, Cettire has fallen to its first loss. This is April this year, its first loss. In three years after the online clothing retailer was forced to increase discounts as shoppers shunned luxury goods. A year ago, the company shares were worth 2 billion. They are now valued at 190 million.
so I was, when I first read that quote about unaudited accounts, ’cause I was doing this late at night. I thought it was, a governance red flag audit and, sorry, a, red flag audit, an audit red flag, but rereading it now, I just think it was unaudited because I checked their FY 24 report and they seem to have been signed off.
So I think they’re all clean from an audit perspective, but, It seems like they’re, struggling a little bit business-wise, but they are on the buy list. Have you, heard of these guys before ever come across your radar? Tony? I don’t think they’re that big or that old, so I’m [00:24:00] guessing not.
TK: Very much they have. I’ve never owned them ’cause they’ve been a growth stock. And this is a classic example of what happens to some growth stocks. It’s dropped from $2 billion market cap to. but it is on the buy list. it’s a, it’s an interesting company, and it has a checkered past, so sure if it was an a FR journalist, but the A FR published a lot of analysis into the company they questioned whether the company was charging the correct amount of sales tax on goods shipped to the us then they joined some dots and wondered whether the. Discrepancy in the sales tax that should have been paid equated to the profit that CTT was making. I, can’t comment on that. but, the company came out and denied it and said they were charging the appropriate sales tax. but they did also downgrade profit around that same time too. they’d been hit not just from, any issues with sales tax, but they’ve been [00:25:00] hit with, changes to what I think is called the de minimus rule in the us.
Up until recently, any inbound goods worth less than, I think it was $800 us, didn’t have to pay. the appropriate, the taxes on things that. Came through at a higher rate. and it was done so that, books from Amazon, et cetera, if they came from overseas, didn’t, have their value, double or triple with various taxes that come into play. that’s now changed. So any parcel gets all the taxes. And so satire has been hit by that rule change, but also they’re of course, now exposed to US tariffs because their business model is to source high-end brand. And fashion wear and particularly, accessories like handbags, belts, and, shoes, from the people who supply branded [00:26:00] retails.
and either buy ’em from the factories direct or there’s a thing called the Gray Market, which is sprung up in the fashion industry. um, there are a lot of people who have somehow got their hands on. The merchandise that goes into, say, the Hermes factory, and they’ve made a Hermes looking bag.
It’s not, it’s, some of, it’s not even a knockoff, it actually is a, Hermes bag, but they’ve got, they’ve gotten through loopholes or whatever, or sales agreements, the ability to sell it at a much lower price. And satire have been sourcing all these, sometimes they’re just the mom and pop shop in Italy, example, and then they, they do drop ship from them to us customers.
And so that’s their business model, which is quite clever. But, as high-end brands have had. Sales declines is the cost of living and inflation has affected the retail wallet spend. they’ve dropped their prices, which has also hurt the other end of the market. And, even though I thought I, [00:27:00] I would’ve thought they may have benefited from, cost of living increases, but it looks like they haven’t. so it’s an interesting company. it looks like it’s been making the best out of a few loopholes, which may have been shut on them, which is perhaps why they are where they’re now. But it doesn’t mean that they can’t make money going forward and it’s not a good time to buy. I wonder if this is a candidate for pulled pork at some stage in the future.
Can.
Cameron: Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah, I just looking at their website and I, because I’m. Not really in the high fashion space, Tony. None of these brands really, connect with me. But, I wouldn’t say this is cheap, stuff though either I’m looking at, very expensive stuff here.
TK: yeah, but have you compared it to the price of buying it from the actual retail outlet?
Cameron: No, but I’m looking at Adidas shoes. They’re, they say they’re marked down from $309 to [00:28:00] $228, but 220 bucks for a pair of, I’ve, I have bought, Adidas shoes in the past. I do Adidas sneakers 220 bucks cents about reasonable for a, pair of Adidas shoes, new balance shoes down from $505 to $366.
Oh my god. They’re just shoes. Anyway, alright, maybe you’ll, do a pulled pork on those at some point,
TK: I didn’t think that was their core business. I thought their core business was buying Hermes bags down from 10,000 to $1,000.
Cameron: they do have lots of bags and accessories and stuff here, but again, Al Wallet zipped Clutch bag $171. Maybe I should be, oh, Chrissy’s got that bag. Max Mara. There you go. I recognize that bag. Oh, I dunno. Yeah. All right. but just with them on the buy list, you’re not scared off by any of this.
You think if it’s on the buy list, then they’re probably worth a look.
TK: I think so. Yes. [00:29:00] yes. think people should do some research. There’s. If you have an A FR subscription, I think it was also published in the age, perhaps you can probably find it on Google. read that about, what these journalists found out about Sales tax and Sapphire, and that was really the catalyst for their decreasing share price Since then, notwithstanding the facts of the rule changes around, de Mini. and US tariffs coming in. But, you know, it, it’s the, it may well find its price, now and start to increase from here if they can make a.
Cameron: Okay. that’s all I’ve got in terms of news for the week. I do have one question from Scott. Do you have anything else?
TK: I’m just gonna do a pulled on a request, which was Ooh Media, but you go ahead with a question
Cameron: Okay, so this is from. Scott, he says, I can’t remember the share. It was on the buy list though, but its close Price was a dollar 58 at the end of the day when it was [00:30:00] trading at a dollar 54 for most of the day, I checked it out and there was one share sold at a dollar 58 right on the bell. Is that weird or am I just being paranoid?
I think we have talked about these sorts of things in the past, but I can’t remember what the story was.
TK: Finding more and more, with, companies, particularly those which, are close to. and I’ve seen it live, in on trading platforms where someone seems to. a share transaction for one share or for, yeah, or to buy 1 cents worth of shares. Usually it’s for one share, and it’s in the last 20 minutes of trade.
So it becomes, if, nothing trades in that 20 minutes, it becomes the closing price for the stock, and it makes it look like it’s, closed, know, sometimes five or 10% cheaper than, than what the bulk of the trading [00:31:00] was at for that day. And, if someone’s trading using stock losses like we are, it can trigger them. I suspect that someone’s flooding the market with these, or, being a bit more surgical perhaps, and, trying to trigger people’s stop-losses. Not that I’m saying someone’s out there with a point trend line calculator looking at us, ours, but they’re probably picking on stocks which they think might trigger stop-losses in other ways, or moving averages or something like that. to get the share price down, and I think they’re gonna then benefit from. someone sells a block and they can buy it cheaper and then sell it pretty quickly back at, for even a couple of percent, profit. If you do that enough times, you make a lot of money. So of things. If you are trading on a platform that can see that spot, then before you trade, make sure that you, the price isn’t being, or the closing price isn’t being set by a set, by a one trade offer to, to buy or [00:32:00] by one a one trade at a low price. if you don’t have access to that, and I’m, I have done a bit of research and can’t find. How to get the depth of volume for the, last trade unless you have, a CMC account or a, uh, CBA comsec trading account or something like that where you can see market depth. so either check it before you trade, or What I’m doing is I’m not trading based on that, the closing trade price of the night before.
I’m waiting an. How it opens and how it trades the following day because, obviously during the day it gets lots of volumes in the trades. ’cause most of the stocks that I hold with a high id, high a DT, but even if it’s a low a DT trade, it’s gonna be more than one stock traded during the day.
So see what the price is like during the day. But yeah, someone’s out there gaming the system by putting these one trade. [00:33:00] their offers on before, just before the market shuts and therefore depressing the closing price. uh, it’s a good question, Scott, and something to be careful of.
Cameron: So I understand the theory behind dropping the price. Why would you put the price up at the end of trading?
TK: I dunno, is that, what’s, Scott? Is that what Scott’s saying? Is the price going up? I thought it was, what my experience, it’s it’s someone putting one trade on for a substantial discount to the past, the pre prior trades that day. And so it looks like the shares closed at, a discount to what it traded at the day before.
Cameron: Now, he said it was trading at a dollar 54 for most of the day, and then it went up to a dollar 58 right on the bell with one share being sold at a dollar 58.
TK: Okay, I, that’s someone above. Creating a momentum trade, which isn’t really there.
Cameron: Fascinating. And I [00:34:00] guess there’s really nothing, there’s nothing illegal about that. They’re just trying to game the system, but legally,
TK: No, nothing illegal about it at all. Yes, that’s right. Nothing illegal about it at all. The classic one was when I think AMP listed someone put a, I think it listed $20 and someone, put a trade in for one share at, $40 and was able to capture all the, that trade from all the volume that was going through quickly at listing.
So it happens.
Cameron: All right. Scott has a second question. You’ve mentioned that around 20 to 25 stocks is about the maximum you should hold for the portfolio. I have also just about become fully invested with all. The residual cash from our SMSF rollover and hold 23 stocks as there will be income coming in via super guarantee payments and rental income from the investment property.
What is the strategy in this situation? Do I just stockpile the cash in A‑H-I-S‑A and wait for stocks to reach their three point trend line or [00:35:00] comm sell, or do you add to current stock positions if they are still on the buy list and above their buyline?
TK: so there’s no hard and fast roll rule on portfolio size. That’s the first thing to say. But the bigger the portfolio is, the more index like your returns will be become just statistically, if you hold more stocks, they start to mimic the index, which is a large amount of stocks. um, I’ve always said to hold 15 to 20 stocks, at least for the. and that’s certainly what the research bears out, but it doesn’t mean that Scott needs to go out and sell five stocks straight away. he could do it over time and likewise, if he’s getting more cash in, um, he, yes, he could park it and wait for something to buy, but he could also increase the positions he holds on current stocks, which are still on the buy list and, a buy on the three point trend line side of things.
So if I was in Scott’s position and I’ve been in that position [00:36:00] before. yes, I would simply, if I have spare cash and I, I don’t want to increase the number of shares in the portfolio, then I’d buy extra positions in the ones I hold, which, I buys. And if I sold something, in, in the portfolio. I may not, I may do the same thing. I may not rebuy that position. I might put it into stocks I already hold, which are, buyers on the buy list. So he’s over time concentrating the portfolio back, 15 and 20 stocks, which I think is reasonable. I.
Cameron: All right. Thank you Tony. Hope that helps. Scott, what are you doing for a Paul Pork today?
TK: I’m doing Ooh Media which was a request. It may have been from Scott. I’m not sure. It was a request from last week. and I’ve gotta say quite a good request because, the stock is up. Quite, strongly. It’s been on the by list for a while. it’s definitely above its byline. PO just posted some, or posted results, I shouldn’t say just [00:37:00] posted results, posted results.
I think it may have come out with some guidance recently, but it’s, it seems to be doing okay. it’s also, just. I just, announced in the last couple of weeks that the CEO is retiring, or at least resigning. So Kathy O’Connor, she’s staying on until the second half of the year, until they can, find a replacement through a recruiting process. She’s been there four years, including Covid, which are four tough years. she’s decided she’s had enough. don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with the CEO resigning four years. An average sort of term. she seems to have righted the ship post Covid. This company had downturn during Covid.
It’s a, it’s an outdoor media company, so I think billboards and electronic digital signages as well. during covid with no traffic and no one out there, they couldn’t charge as much for the [00:38:00] billboards. And, advertising dropped off, quite a lot during Covid, but they’re back up to where they were before that. I should say the company is called Omed, OOH Media. And OOH stands for out of home media. where that comes from. they have, over time gone away, oh, sorry, I shouldn’t say gone away. Included other areas besides just, billboards, on the roads and on freeways. They now have, signage in, for example, retail shopping centers and malls, railway stations, airports, office towers and universities.
So they claim a 99% metro reach of all people. over, I think it’s a month period, or maybe a week period. get to see one of their billboards or one of their signs and, quite cleverly. They state on their website that out-of-home advertising [00:39:00] cannot be blocked, paused, or skipped. So it’s not a bad marketing job of, for their industry from a marketing company. they have over 35,000 assets. So 35,000 signages Australia and New Zealand. and they claim to be the, largest. Advertising company in Australia and New Zealand. they’re quite, they’re the market leader quite large. I think the other thing which is interesting, and this is one of the tailwinds for them, is that, out of home advertising now equates to 15% of the media spend in Australia, and is a growing segment versus the spend on radio and tv, which are both in decline.
they seem to be a lot more resilient and growing, in the media space than, their traditional media assets. having said that, their latest results were a little bit flat, so the year on year revenue was flat. [00:40:00] but what they did highlight was it was increasing in the second half. So first half was down, second half was up, was up some 4% annual earnings per share were up 9%.
So they’ve been restructuring their business, signing up, more profitable contracts. doing a lot of digital advertising. so a lot of margin enhancement, but revenue was flat, but trending upwards. Um, been around for a while. So the company was founded by Brendan Cook. I. 1989 and he called it the Outdoor Network Australia back then in, I think it spent some time in the hands of private equity, then they listed the company in 2002, and back then it was called Network Limited, then it was rebranded as Zoo Media following that. along the way they soaked up a few media companies, including Media Puzzle and Junkie Media. acquired [00:41:00] EYE Corp. I corp from Channel 10, was a division of Channel 10, which was doing outdoor advertising, and they did also attempt to acquire their largest competitor, a PN. But, didn’t proceed following AC CC competition concerns, but they did in 2018 purchase another competitor called Ad Shell from a company that’s now called here, there and Everywhere. claim top spot in the outdoor advertising, business in Australia and New Zealand. So that’s the business. I’m sure everyone has seen their signage, maybe not knowing it’s, Oh hs. But if you can often see the name of the provider at the bottom of the billboard, so check it out. Uh, QAB numbers a DT for the stock is 1.95 million per day.
So it’s a price will be liquid stock, which should suit all the people. price for the analysis of the dollar 65, [00:42:00] 97%, or a dollar 65 is 97% of consensus Target. It is greater than IV one of 95 cents an iv two of a dollar 26. However, it is below, not below book price of a dollar 38, but below book plus 30, which is a dollar 80. So we can buy it for book less than book plus 30. However, I do highlight this is one of these companies with lots of goodwill as an asset on the balance sheet. the NTA net tangible assets for this company is only 22 cents. We can buy it for less than plus 30, but it is, including a lot of goodwill, which we see this company rolled up and acquired lots of, outdoor companies and media companies to create content for the billboards.
And so they’re carrying goodwill. yield is 3.18%. So it doesn’t score, enough for us, but it’s a reasonably healthy yield stock. Doctor [00:43:00] financial health and trend is strong and steady. Stock edia don’t rank it as well for quality. Their ranking is only 68, which is okay, but not, up in the nineties, their F score is six out of nine. an overall Wikipedia ranked as, a 91 out of a hundred. it’s overall it’s in their top 10, in their rankings, top, top 10% in their rankings, so that’s good. company currently doesn’t have an owner founder. That founder, Brendan Cook, stayed around for a long time, but he exited. five or so years ago, I think.
So he’s not there at the moment and it doesn’t have, any other large, large owner or ownership, amongst the directors. p is 24 times, even though that’s a lot, it’s not the highest nor the lowest, so he can’t score it. , Even though PE is 24 times prop cap is only 4.9 [00:44:00] times, so less than five times cashflow, which is, a good, a good buying opportunity. Forecast. Earnings per share growth is 91%. So that was interesting, I thought. And that of course allows us to score it well for growth over pe, which comes out at 3.76, above our. Our, hurdle of 1.5 before we score it. , It’s in a recent uptrend since its last results. Of course, we’re into May now, and so we’ll get new results, in a couple of months.
So that may change, but, since it’s most recent results last year, or which came out in February, it’s it’s turned upwards. So we score it for that. the equity isn’t consistently increasing, so we can’t score it for that. So all in all, quality score of 11 outta 15 or 73% and a QAV score of 0.15. So that’s edia risks.
I think it’s a fairly, it seems to me to [00:45:00] be a fairly steadily growing company. So that’s, I should say that from the outside outset. tending. It looks like revenue’s growing at about the rate of GDP or inflation, so about the rate of the economy. that’s good. to be growing by acquisition.
Now, whether it can keep doing that at the same rate it’s done in the past because it’s now the number one player, and so it will face competition issues more and more as it, if it tries to do it. So s. Market is calling out nearly doubling an eep E Ps, so it’s gonna certainly grow next year.
Whether it’s doubling or less than that, it’s probably gonna be something. the CEO transition I think is a risk. Not just the fact that the CEO’s leaving, which is quite normal. But oftentimes with, as we’ve seen before with companies, if someone new comes in, they may take a large number of writedowns to clear the decks, and [00:46:00] rebase their options, or at least just clear the decks to make themselves look going forward. So that’s potential risk. The outdoor advertising sector is growing and it’s getting more digitized. So that, I think helps both revenue and margin for them. I’ve always liked this company. It did struggle during Covid, and it’s, back on the buy list now and doing well. yeah, have a look, people.
Cameron: I, I always cringe when I see OML on the buy list ’cause I think I’ve bought it a dozen times over the years and always had to sell it. It’s always ended up as a rule one sell and a three PTLA couple of times. But, looking back over the. Price. I’ve sold it at, I’ve sold it as down at a dollar 14 up through dollar 26, dollar 36.
Now it’s at a dollar 60, I think today. it has recovered from the times when I’ve sold [00:47:00] it. But it’s one of those things that in my brain, it has a negative association with being a little bit, turbulent. And if I look at its chart and the bread later, it has been. Dropping down for the last year, but it’s just rebounded massively.
So there you go. Good luck to anyone who kept holding it. That’s it, Tony, apart from after hours, that’s all I’ve got for today. and I know we’re on a budgeted timeframe, but we skipped after hours last week. You got any highlights for me this week?
TK: highlights from my life, highlights from my wife. I’ve got, I was up in Sydney on Thursday night at the chairman’s Chairman. Pretty ritzy affair. and, sold one horse and kept one horse. So Pfic sold, she’ll, she’s often New Zealand, but, cast didn’t make reserves, so we’re just deciding, crunching some numbers and deciding whether to keep her and breed from her or [00:48:00] try and move her on. in some other way besides, besides a, a sale. so that was, Sydney, which was lovely. And then now we’re down in Bateman’s Bay playing, lots of golf and enjoying a bit of a break, which has just been fantastic. It’s a lovely place despite the poor wifi.
Cameron: No, that’s great. You watched anything or read anything good. Listened to anything good.
TK: At all? No, been in the moment, haven’t had time to read or to watch tv. Just been, playing golf, driving, walking around and chatting with Ruddy and his brother-in-law, which has been
fantastic.
Cameron: That’s nice. I saw my GP this morning for my, annual blood work checkup, and he’s agreed to that I could stop taking nearly all of my meds that I’ve been on for the last five or six years. When I had elevated cholesterol and elevated blood pressure. He said, everything’s [00:49:00] looking good. I’m gonna stay on a statin, but we’re reducing it.
Down to half my current dosage, but taking me off the aspirin and off the blood pressure medication because of my lifestyle changes over the last few years. So that’s good. I’m happy about that. I want to give a plug for a book that I’ve been reading.
If you haven’t already read it. Have you heard of the book? Nina Simone’s Gum. it’s great. It’s by Warren Ellis, Nick Cave’s, violinist for decades, the Bad Seeds. dirty Three Guy.
terrific book, largely about. Him stealing Nina Simone’s gum off a piano at a concert that she did in 1999 that Nick curated in London. And, the religious, importance of Nina Simone’s gum.
That he, that Nick was late, 20 odd years later, Nick was curating some [00:50:00] exhibition somewhere in, I don’t know, Holland or somewhere like that, Amsterdam. And they put this on display on a plinth. With a spotlight and a velvet cushion anyway. But it’s also a story about him as the violinist and the bad seeds and the dirty three and how he ended up be playing violin.
But it’s a terrific really engaging ra read that I think you’d really enjoy. I, what have I listened to? Oh, for people who like, girl rock and roll, and I’ve been meeting to, chat to Alex about this. I think they’re outta Canberra. There’s an Australian all girl band called Teen Jesus and the Jean teasers that I’ve just discovered via, triple J, which I’m really enjoying at the moment.
So check them out if you like. girl. Girl punk, teen Jesus, and the Jean teasers. It’s a terrific name if nothing else. And, [00:51:00]
TK: It.
Cameron: in terms of watching stuff, the highlight for me for the week is David Lee Roth came out of retirement. He’s did his first live show in I think five years. And it was fantastic.
The whole thing’s on YouTube, if for any, old David Lee Roth fans out there, his voice, surprisingly enough, is in pretty good shape. He’s obviously done a lot of work on it because I think he got kicked off of a KISS tour a couple of years ago. ’cause Gene Simmons said that. Dave couldn’t sing anymore.
His voice had, wasn’t up to the task, but he’s back. His voice was great. He has a stripped down band, great band, and they just did all old classic Van Halen numbers and it was terrific to see Dave going strong, nearly 70 years old and going hard on stage. It was like he was dressed all in leather. And it was stripped back.
So it was like Elvis’s 68 [00:52:00] comeback on NBC, but it was Dave. And so he’s back on tour, which was great.
TK: I did see that And I’m sorry, I should have mentioned it because the leather he was, a leather three.
Cameron: yes. Yeah. It was pretty, pretty much a leather three piece suit. Yeah. So it was, very elvisy. Have you seen the Joker sequel, joker Folly?
TK: I haven’t, no, I think you told me not to watch it, or your boys told me not to watch it.
Cameron: The boys told me not to watch it. I, it is on the streaming services now. I watched it, wanted to like it, it didn’t work. I didn’t think, like whack in Phoenix still did a great job as the Joker, but just the, story, the songs fell a bit flat, so that was disappointing. But I have been watching The Penguin finally and absolutely loving.
The penguin like Colin Farrell. Oh my god. So great.
TK: Yep. I must admit I
haven’t got to the end of [00:53:00] it. I enjoyed the first half of it. Now it got a bit silly and I haven’t watched the end of it, but, really enjoyed the first bit.
Cameron: Oh, I’m only a few episodes in, I may not have gotten up to the silly bit yet. Anyway, so that’s what I’ve been doing. That and a lot of kung fu as usual.
TK: congratulations on your health turnaround. That’s amazing. I know you put lots of work and effort into it,
Cameron: Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate it. It, was good. And as the GP said, most guys in their early fifties when they need to be put on these things, don’t do the things that they need to do to turn it around. And I’ve worked very hard to, Get my health in shape and it’s hopefully paying dividends.
So I’m gonna go off the meds mostly for a year, and then we’ll do the blood work again and see if it, all the numbers still look good a year from now, and if not, I can always go back on them. But it’s a new lifestyle now that I’m fairly. established in. So new diet, new exercise, new phone.
[00:54:00] Who dis as Chrissy always says to me. Alright, that’s the, QAV Australia show for this week. Thank you tk. Thank you Scott for the questions. Thank you listeners, and we’ll be back next week. Stay safe out there. Q qua, have a good week.
TK: Thank you, my wife. I will improve next Tuesday when I’m back at Cape Shank. So sorry about this. We’ll get video back online and please send some more requests in for pulled Porks, think, Cettire is a candidate, I think ANZ results out. that’s a candidate. But if anyone’s got something else they wanted, me to talk about, please, ask a question. Cheers everyone.
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